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Remove the list view threshold (5000 by default)

This limit has always been a bit laughable, and is even more so as we develop more client side applications. In SharePoint 2007 we didn't have this limit and were allowed to make our own mistakes. Now that hardware is so much more powerful, we need this limit removed so that we can build enterprise-class applications.

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    sympmarcsympmarc shared this idea  ·   ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →

    The 5,000 item threshold is likely here to stay. We are aware that it takes awareness on both sides to get past this limitation: list owners have to build the right fields, indices, and indexed views so that end user queries can run successfully in large lists. And then, end users have to run the correct queries – they can’t just open the root of the list, they have to use a filtered, indexed view.

    We want to pursue work that helps on both these ends – for example, proactively indexing more lists, making suggestions to list owners for views to create that will help end users, and helping end users at query time pick filters that will unblock their queries. Additionally, we want to increase our support for running more types of queries in large lists when an index is present – for example, instead of requiring an indexed filter for every query, maybe an indexed could suffice.

    No guarantees or timelines yet, but that’s the way we’re thinking about the problem. Does that sound reasonable?

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      • MelvinMelvin commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This issue reminds me of the win8 start button. one step forward two steps back.

      • o365SPOo365SPO commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Our customers are "thinking about it" too... thinking about leaving the platform. Please for starters at least allow us to index lists that are over the limit without having to delete or migrate data out. Perhaps the underpinnings of the Custom List need to be completely revamped. 5000 is an embarrassing limit we just can't explain to customers.

      • o365SPOo365SPO commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Our customers are "thinking about it" too... thinking about leaving the platform. Please for starters at least allow us to index lists that are over the limit without having to delete or migrate data out. Perhaps the underpinnings of the Custom List need to be completely revamped. 5000 is an embarrassing limit we just can't explain to customers.

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Maybe if it was easier to apply a filter on the required data to only show items beginning with a range, e.g. items starting with A-C, D-F etc. Or depending on the size of the list, even just a single character. This could help get the results below the magic 5,000 limit. I don't just mean a filter for viewing purposes, what if you want to query the data let's say via a lookup column for applying metadata to uploaded documents for e.g.

        I think that would be helpful...

        But also not being able to index columns that have exceeded 5 000 is just silly!

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        if your document library has over 5000 items you cannot even create indexes as it errors. Rubbish product

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I highly recommend that alternate products should be used, like "Confleuence". SharePoint is dead in the water.

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        The 5000 item view limit is one thing, but what really makes life hard is that there's no way to even start filtering without an initial view under 5k. If we have 25k items in a list, the first screen should say "that's too many to display. start filtering to get below 5k" From there it's easy to get under the limit. However, the only option is to pre filter the 25k to smaller, arbitrary subsets, which then makes subsequent filters incomplete.

        another idea would be to allow us to take a view under 5k, further refine it, then take away the filters that allowed the first view to proceed, as long as the result is still under 5k. In this way, we can have a filtering interface for the entire library.

      • RoyRoy commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        The list view threshold is to maintain performance so that SQL tables aren't locking upon many concurrent requests. Why not some guidance when increasing the list view threshold is acceptable depending on the amount of SQL row locking occurring based on list view queries? I know of some SP deployments where the list view threshold was increased to 20,000 for 2000 users and probably 70 concurrent user sessions during business hours and performance seemed fine.

      • Andy TousAndy Tous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        No, that does not sound reasonable. Your answer might sound logic for an average joe lemon stand, but not for a Fortune 300 company with tons of information on SharePoint. Here's why:

        Microsoft support states that SharePoint lists can hold 30 million records. 30 MILLION RECORDS!

        Not being able to display more than 5000 items at a time in a view is understandable and logical in order to maintain performance. What is not reasonable at all, thus becoming an impossible task to manage, is the facs that, once you pass the 5000 records limit, you're unable to create filtered list views that return fewer than a hundred results (will not even returns just a few records). THis happens even if the fields being called in the view are indexed.

        I tried to create a view in a library of 6000 items that would return 100 records. Nope. Can't do that.

        But wait! If I use All Items views, that works! How is that logical?

        How in the world would you expect a list that should hold 30 million records to be navigable or manageable without the ability to create views that filter, sort and group?

        Your sales and support are both misleading and should state that the limit for SharePoint lists is just 5000 records.

        What a joke!

      • KristyKristy commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Absolutely DISGUSTED with Microsoft over this issue. First of all, if you can't handle more than 5,000 files, why would you ever sell this product to a business? And second, it is completely unreasonable to expect a small or medium business to have the resources or expertise to figure out how to "get past this limitation". The whole point of your product is to make things easier, but we now have hundreds of hours invested into figuring out why 2 out of 8 users cannot sync. Just 2. Not all 8. If this is truly a legitimate issue, how the other 6 work fine is a mystery to me. Our business has been unable to function for months. We use other products that cannot communicate with SharePoint directly; so syncing is an essential feature and one of reasons we selected OneDrive in the first place. If you aren't going to fix the problem, you need to prominently disclose it as a prohibitive limitation so that you don't trick small businesses into investing in a product that doesn't meet their needs.

      • MichaelMichael commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        The problem is that this LIMIT affects other simple display -- for instance, the method to setup the default OneNote Notebook and Section to use for emails sent to onenote (me@onenote.com) (https://www.onenote.com/EmailSettings) is restricted by this list view threshold limit (as documented here: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_onenote-mso_mac/notebook-retrieval-error-in-onenote-online/fd41bc98-8537-4df9-8e1e-c15c71bec206).

        This doesn't make sense, since OneNote Notebooks are their own thing and there is no need to list the rest of the files in my OneDrive.

        Changing how we use OneDrive fundamentally reduces its utility. I cannot reduce my number of files as many are created as part of automated analysis scripts, etc.

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Here's the issue. SharePoint lists are supposed to hold 30 million files. 30 MILLION. I understand not being able to display more than 5000 items at a time. What I don't understand is that once you're over 5000 files, you're unable to create filtered list views that return way fewer than 5000 results. I tried to create a view in a library of 13000 items that would return 16 files. Nope. Can't do that. How in the world would you expect a "small" library of 1 million files to be navigable without the ability to create views to filter, sort, group, etc. You may as well say that the limit for SharePoint libraries is 5000 files.

      • Noah StahlNoah Stahl commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I don't think the proposal is reasonable. This is as others have pointed out a fundamental blocker that can't realistically be overcome by anticipating a limit of records in a given view. I think this should be top priority to solve. Surely the technical capability and infrastructure is there to make this possible.

      • San MattelSan Mattel commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        5000 default limit is really frustrating. Many cases client not ready to take a risk by increasing this limit and looking at other solutions

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        If The 5,000 item threshold is likely here to stay, then we need to have better tools to manage it. I dont know I have an issue until a user calls and reports an error. At that time it;'s often too late to provide a reasonable solution.

        It would be nice if an admin could set the listview threshold to a lower limit (say maybe 4000. Then, when a user calls to report an issue the admin can bump it up to 5000 to get the users up and running, then add indexes, create views, whatever to resolve the issue, and then set it back to the lower limit. This would give us advancred notice and the ability to test if our workarounds actually work

      • Jim KJim K commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Microsoft seems to be positioning sharepoint online as a google drive, box, dropbox competitor - i.e. a file server replacement. None of these other services have this ridiculous restriction. It's a deal killer for using sharepoint online as a file server replacement. Which, in turn, makes us want to look at other solutions such as g suite.

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        The response by the SharePoint Experiences Team seems to reflect an upside down view of the world. Technology is subservient to people, not the opposite. Asking list owners and users to work around, or against, limits not justified by current technology is not reasonable, and neither is expecting users to think like developers.

      • Balu DharmarajanBalu Dharmarajan commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This limit is quite low, I already checked the dll codes and sql queries and it looks like not too complicated to fix, please let me know I will tell you how it can be fixed.

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