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Remove the list view threshold (5000 by default)

This limit has always been a bit laughable, and is even more so as we develop more client side applications. In SharePoint 2007 we didn't have this limit and were allowed to make our own mistakes. Now that hardware is so much more powerful, we need this limit removed so that we can build enterprise-class applications.

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    sympmarc shared this idea  ·   ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →

    We are continuing to make our large list experiences better, please keep the feedback coming.

    Spring 2018 update:
    - We now support being able to manually add indexes to lists of any size (increased from lists up to 20,000 items previously).
    - Starting with the February release of the Office 365 Excel client, you will be able to export your full list instead of getting cut off part of the way through.

    What we are working on now:
    - Predictive indexing will start to work for lists larger than 20,000 items so your views will automatically cause the right indexes to be added to your lists.

    In our backlog:
    - Being able to index/sort/filter by lookup column types (like person, lookup or managed metadata columns) without being throttled.
    - Making sure that our REST APIs support querying in ways that will guarantee that the call will not be throttled.

    For a general update on large list capabiltiies, the video on myignite.microsoft.com/videos/53861 (focusing on large lists at 42 minutes and 25 seconds) describes some of the changes that we delivered back in the second half of 2017:
    - Modern UI now has a lot of support for adding indexes to large lists and libraries on the fly, reducing the number of throttling errors experienced by our users, and some new UI for browsing through items in large lists with our paging model
    - SharePoint runs predictive indexing jobs to automatically add indexes as lists get larger based on your view definitions, and updates these indexes when you add/update your views

    Looking forward to receiving more of your feedback.

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      • David Caranfa commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I agree with many of the comments that the limit just needs to be removed or dramatically increased. if this means fundamentally changing how SharePoint handles information and interfaces with the database, I still think it needs to be a priority. The reality is enterprises have a ton of data and in many cases don't have the time and resources to spend on planning how to avoid a limitation that is not present in other comparable systems.

      • Balu Dharmarajan commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Hi Admin,

        From your answer, it looks to me that you don't really know the limitations of the 5000 item limit or you don't know meaning of word enterprise.

        Lets say we have a ticketing application and there is over 10000 tickets in status closed.

        How do we get last 10 closed tickets.

        Can't because filter don't work even with indexes in place. Throttle !!!. (retrieve all data in list even if over 1 million and filter your 10 items)

        Can we export to excel, Throttle !!!.

        Add new column and index it for filtering it. Throttle !!!.

        So please don't tell filters and indexes work, they don't for lots of production scenario in enterprise.

        This is just start, if you have more than 5000 items forget about adding new columns that has to be filtered, there is no way.

        we are in process of switching to adobe cms due to this limitations and you are still thinking about it.Take as much time as you want, then probably you don't have to do it.

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        this limit really needs to raised, 5,000 items is way to low. Needs to be somewhere in the 40-50,000 item limit range for sharepoint online. Please raise the view limit!!!

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        "The 5,000 item threshold is likely here to stay"
        This arbitrary number is the worst limitation you could have thought up to cripple online sharepoint.
        Every single other cloud storage has no such restriction - even worse, on premises sharepoint can be configured too in that way - making transition of existing structures de facto impossible.

        Personal onedrive folders (private and office365 business) are not limited to 5000 files either.

        Counting versions of documents against the 5000 limit just is the cherry on top of this whole craziness. Not even small companies can work with this without completely rebuilding their structures, which is definitely NOT a goal when moving to office365.

        This issue has repeatedly blocked transitioning from google docs and is causing all kinds of problems with people ending up on dropbox, box.com with business data because office365 azure sharepoint is just not fit for use.

        I do not care wheter it has a gazillion super nifty features to work with (that roughly 0.0005% of all customers use or care about) it has to be able to compete with other cloud based solutions when it comes to the basics.

        number of files in a given library - you do not get more basic than that.

      • Ralph commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Simply syncing a library with a local machine fails if there are more than 5000 items in the library. You can't expect admins to create a new library, migrate part of the old library and configure new sync jobs, then reconfigure the network shares, every time a library hits 5000 items. If the list view limit can't be addressed the OneDrive for Business sync client needs to be more intelligent in splitting up the queries and running the job in chunks.

      • Monir commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This 5000 threshold limit is a joke in enterprise uses. Users need to see all the items in a single view to analyze data and make good decision. Setting up multiple views and then combining them in excel or in other apps is cumbersome and bad bad experience. Goal should be to help getting things done easier ways but not complicated ways. Because of this many users moved on to other solutions.
        Microsoft only limiting themselves because of this...

      • Jarrod commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This could be resolved if lists wern't so horribly inefficient in SQL. How many SQL queries you want to do just to get a list of items!

      • Guillaume OBSER commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I plan to abandon Sharepoint in 2017, SharePoint is became to complcated to maintain due to this limit. Using sharepoint was a mistake and this application is clearly the stepchild of the Office 365 tools.

      • Eric Alexander commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        No matter how much you preplan for large lists, something always changes down the line and you become powerless to do anything about it. Users can keep adding, and adding, and adding, and you as an administrator have NO means to help them. Moving or deleting files to get under 5000 items causes a whole range of problems; it's clumsy, slow, difficult, time consuming, and can lead to 404s as people try to access content that has been moved. Increase the limit, give us a happy hour, or update TechNet to show the actual boundary of SharePoint Online to be 5,000 items, not 30 million.

        https://sharepoint.uservoice.com/forums/329214-sites-and-collaboration/suggestions/16487710-prioritize-large-list-management-in-sharepoint-onl

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This is a big show stopper every time we want to convert a team from using Excel, FileMaker Pro or Access to a SP site with multiple lists and look ups.

      • Tans commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I cannot believe that anyone would scroll through 5,000+ list items (& documents), BUT we do need to be able to easily filter a 5,000+ lists and/or retrieve calculations on the results of 5,000+ so is a possible solution.....

        Provide with every list a filter/refiner web part that appears above the list if switched on lets say in the view settings. The web part could auto show the fields that have been set in the view settings, so users can select from option fields, select dates, etc...The list on open can either show no data or the first 'x' number of results based on the view and a message informing the user that only 'x' is being shown. If the refine/search results is over 5,000+ show the max amount but provide any count/sum set in the view. Just putting it out there (maybe someone below has !).

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Since other online storage services don't have this problem, it's pretty clear it's caused by the way SP gets data from the db. SP is an antiquated server based platform probably not well suited to online use in its current form. The idea that SP has to request all items in a list to return a filtered view of say 25 items is absurd. The filtering should happen before the request gets sent but SP simply doesn't work that way and until it's modernized (or in typical Msft fashion, replaced), it's not fit for enterprise use.

      • Sam commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        The 5,000 file limit is a massive problem for small business users of Office 365. Those wanting to move to a one-stop modern Office/Email/File management system face unreasonable restrictions due to this limit. While SharePoint is powerful and does make overcoming this limit possible with customized list views, most small businesses aren't going to take the time to administer SharePoint sites. Instead they're stuck paying the monthly subscription fee for Office 365 and paying more for a Dropbox or Box licence.

        You have to fix this and make the SharePoint/OneDrive for business services more appealing for those wishing to migrate from Dropbox or Box.

      • TechAdmin commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Please make searching for items in document libraries with more than 5000 items work.

        If a search query is triggered from within the document library, and the query pulls back a large number of results - clicking the 'See more results' link shows no items at all. A really poor experience and confusing for end users.

      • Franchesca V Havas commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I agree that this limit needs to be raised. As a SharePoint developer from the 2001 database beta version we used in Texas to today I can say that this is by far one of the top 10 problems we are encountering today.
        Please raise the view limit!

      • Marc Wenning commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        this limit really needs to raised, 5,000 items is way to low. Needs to be somewhere in the 40-50,000 item limit range for sharepoint online. Please raise the view limit!!!

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